getting back to warren jeffs. he is currently serving a life sentence after being found guilty of sexual assault against two girls, but as you said, he still in some ways is in control, controlling the cult, controlling the sect members from jail. why is that? how is he able to have such control of them from behind bars? >> you know, he has the same rights as every other prisoner in this country. he gets phone calls. he gets letters. he gets visits. >> why do they still believe in him and follow him? >> because he has -- he had exerted such a mass control over the people at the time that he was convicted that for them to relinquish and he has forbidden any kind of access to newspapers, internet, television, anything like that, that the people don't understand or know what is going on, and they won't accept it any way because he has convinced them that it's all propaganda, it's all lies. he has gone so far in the last months to ban sex between married couples. he has determined that there are only 15 men in the gro